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Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 12:36
by Derek Walker
I know where there are lots of swing door subs going vrot, and heaps of loco's that will never run again. It's excuse time again methinks. They are really dredging the barrel trying to find reasons not to get that train going.

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 12:57
by Dylan Knott
Last time (Dec 2008) I checked the following locos were serviceable:

19D 2649, 2749, 3323, 3324.
24 3668.

Workshops:
24 3675
19D 2640, 3334.

Out of use:
19D 2683, 2698, 3321, 3322.
19B 1412
GMAM 4122, 4128.
24 3606, 3632, 3635, 3689, 3693.
Class 32 diesel.

Outside Museum:
GF 2401, GEA 4023, GO 2575.
Inside Museum:
7A 1007, 7BS 1059, 6J 645, 19C 2439, GL 2351, GMAM 4070.

Only one 19D hauling 4 coaches is used on the George - Mossel Bay train anyway and a second 19D as a backup. Diesels run if there is a fire risk. Plenty of coaches at the OTM that could be used if the regular set is unavailable.

Down here near Culemborg two s/d suburbans have arrived for repairs.

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 09:46
by Dylan Knott
http://www.ewn.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=20377

R130 million is mentioned but only the section George - Mossel Bay is mentioned!

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 15:16
by Tom Macrery
Just heard on the news today: Transnet wants to sell the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe to a private company. They say they will run it 'till it is sold and that they are putting out a tender for refurbishment/restoration. I'm sure FOTR would like to buy it!

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 15:31
by Steve Appleton
OCT Newsletter Edition 4 from MEC Alan Winde's office in the Western Cape Provincial Government:
Choo-Tjoe News
Edition 4 – 21 August 2009
MEC WINDE MEETS WITH OCT STEERING COMMITTEE

Earlier today [24 August 2009], [Western Cape] Minister of Finance, Economic Development and Tourism, Alan Winde, met with the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe Steering Committee. Present were the Mayors from Eden, George, Knysna and Mossel Bay, representatives from local tourism associations, provincial government and Transnet.
Minister Winde was informed that the maintenance presently being undertaken by Transnet on the Outeniqua Choo Tjoe is nearing completion. It is anticipated that the operations of the OCT from George to Mossel Bay will re-commence by the 1st of October. We will use this occasion as an opportunity to re-launch the Choo-Tjoe, in coordination which the Municipalities and Tourism Associations in the region.
Transnet has assured Minister Winde that it will continue to operate the current service until it can be handed over to an appointed operator through an open and competitive tender process, preceded by an information and awareness session that will be jointly facilitated by the Provincial Government of the Western Cape and Transnet. The purpose of the information and awareness session will be to provide a briefing to all stakeholders, affected parties and the private sector on the call for Expressions of Interest.
It is envisaged that the process will be separated into two phases: phase one will deal with the George to Mossel Bay line, and phase two the George to Knysna line. Although the processes culminating in the handover will be operated by Transnet, agreement has been reached that the Provincial Government will be meaningfully engaged on all matters leading up to the handover.
Minister Winde is pleased with the outcome of the meeting, and said that in order to increase patronage and boost interest in the Choo-Tjoe, he will ensure that the current service is marketed extensively at provincial and local level. Please send your comments to us at: finmin@pgwc.gov.za, 021 483 3531.

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 15:46
by Steve Appleton
Tom, as well meaning as this move appears to be, I am distinctly nervous of the possible outcome of the "tender" process. By its nature, this would probably involve Transnet accepting as much money as it possibly can extract for this venture. I would be surprised if many other qualifications of the bidder would be taken into account. A naive or avericious bidder could pay too much (or lack operating capital or the right skill set) and, as a result, fail to turn in a profit (or the amount of profit demanded by the investors), resulting in under-maintenence and other ills that would possibly run this operation into the ground, never to recover.
Operating a railway (and this one includes high-maintenance old, broken and troublesome track and bridges), even a well-patronised tourist one, is not for the feint-hearted. Just ask any FOTR board member. It will take lots of skill and pots of money to get this fully up and running again and to keep it so.

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 17:04
by Dylan Knott
Very well said.

What exactly is for sale? Doubt "everything" at Voorbaai would be for sale. A very tricky situation and I doubt any preservation group would be able to purchase the train. Not many ppl out there who can.

The next question is what of the Union Ltd staged at Voorbaai?

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 24 Aug 2009, 17:14
by Luca Lategan
They can't sell the line, it is on the main-line to Port Elizabeth. The people who buy whatever is for sale would need to make very sure how much YQ fees Transnet will ask as their current high prices would ruin any operation within weeks!

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 25 Sep 2009, 12:58
by Steve Appleton
OCT Newsletter Edition 5 from MEC Alan Winde's office in the Western Cape Provincial Government:
Choo-Tjoe News
Edition 5 – 25 September 2009
STILL WAITING FOR TRANSNET ...
In August, Transnet made assurances that they would have the Choo-Tjoe up and running by the 1st of October. With that deadline fast approaching, we got in touch with them, and after apologising, they told us that there had been a further delay, and that the Choo-Tjoe will now be relaunched in mid-October.
We are anxiously awaiting the moment, and Minister Winde will travel to the Garden Route to see our icon in action again.
Ever since Minister Winde called on the public to come forward with suggestions on how to save the Choo-Tjoe, we have heard stories of volunteers’ efforts to restore the Rheilffordd Ffestiniog Railway in Wales. We found these anecdotes of collaboration and willpower particularly inspiring, and in November this year, Minister Winde will travel to Britain to see this beauty first hand, and hear about how its restoration was completed so successfully.
Minister Winde will also meet with Sir William McAlpine, best known for his work with the Flying Scotsman. From both visits, Minister Winde hopes to gain insight into the restoration and operation of steam locomotives like our own Choo-Tjoe, and will travel back to the Western Cape to inform his team about his discoveries.
As soon as we have a date for the expressions of interest meeting, we will communicate that to you. In the meantime, it would be great to see you at the re-launch of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe in mid-October (we will send you an e-mail once the official date has been communicated to us by Transnet).
Please call at 021 483 3531, or e-mail finmin@pgwc.gov.za, to give your input on how we can save the train.
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Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 25 Sep 2009, 13:58
by Dylan Knott
Cannot say I am surprised. How will they market the service if it only resumes in 2 weeks time?

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 20 Oct 2009, 13:40
by Steve Appleton
OCT back on the rails... but with some coaches still being "restored".
See pictures at:
http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/ ... 311&t=5687
MEDIA RELEASE
19 October 2009

MEC Winde welcomes return of the Choo-Tjoe

George, 19 October 2009: The return of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe celebration was held on 19 October 2009. Ms Cynthia Mgijima, Head: Transnet Foundation, performed the welcome address and dedicated the celebration to the operational return of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe, which had been discontinued for routine maintenance per regulator safety requirements on 30 June 2009.

Ms Mgijima said: “The first two restored coaches would be used today with the remaining three being completed by the end of the month. She also said: “Today demonstrated Transnet’s commitment to preserve the future of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe. She concluded by saying: “The Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe brings joy, hope and anticipation of change to ordinary people’s lives.”

Mr Morne Hoogbaard, Acting Municipal Manager for Eden District Municipality said that the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe will also be enjoyed by the 2010 supporters and the Eden District Municipality expresses their commitment to making sure that “the train will blow out steam.” Mr Hoogbaard said: “The Eden District Municipality, in consultation with other municipalities, had agreed to the appointment of a project manager to facilitate funding for the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe within the next few weeks.” Mr Hoogbaard also said that “the three spheres of Government should work together to ensure that the Choo-Tjoe remains one of their icons.”

Mr Alan Winde, Minister of Finance, Economic Development & Tourism said in his address that this was a very special tourism occasion. He thanked Transnet most sincerely for being committed to the preservation of this heritage rail icon despite it no longer forming part of their core business. Minister said: “The Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe is an icon that is known around the world and we must make sure that we preserve it for our children and our childrens’ children.”

Minister Winde gave the undertaking that Provincial Government would market the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe through Cape Town Routes Unlimited. The Minister said that the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe newsletter was designed to keep all interested parties informed of progress in finding a private funder for the train.

Minister Winde said that he would be visiting the United Kingdom in November and was in the process of scheduling meetings with key vintage railway stakeholders to gain experience for implementation in South Africa.

Minister Winde said that the Provincial government fully supported Transnet’s next phase of commitment, which was putting out expressions of interest through a public participation process to attract potential investors.

The Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe Train left from the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe Transport Museum over the picturesque Kwang River, snaked over the Great and Little Brak Rivers and ended its trip outside the Diaz Museum in Mossel Bay.

Mr Neels Zietsman, Chairman of Mossel Bay Tourism welcomed the guests and introduced the Acting Mayor of Mossel Bay Municipality, Mr Harry Ebendal who in turn introduced Mr Johan Gelderblom from National Parliament. Mr Gelderblom said that the return of the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe, with enthusiastic marketing, becomes an important economic generator.

The event hosted by Transnet Foundation was attended by Transnet officials, representatives from Provincial Government, Eden District Municipality, George Municipality and Tourism, Mossel Bay Municipality and Tourism, UATA, SA Rail, HRASA, Media and various tour operators.

ENDS
Tammy Evans
Media Liaison Officer to Minister Alan Winde Ministry of Finance, Economic Development and Tourism

Cell: 082 378 2235
E-mail: tevans@pgwc.gov.za

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 20 Oct 2009, 13:51
by Chris Janisch
And by all accounts was a great success. HRASA also made its presence strongly felt through Nerina Skuy and Jamie Hart, and we are on the verge of further breakthroughs as a result.

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 20 Oct 2009, 15:01
by Kevin Wilson-Smith
Very good news!

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 20 Oct 2009, 18:31
by Dylan Knott
Well done, HRASA!

Re: Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe reaches end of the line

Posted: 21 Oct 2009, 11:07
by Gabor Kovacs
Congratulations HRASA! Well Done!

I still believe there is a ton of back ground work left, to really keep the Outeniqua Choo-Tjoe on the rails for the future. I really hope the wheels will be kept round and in motion!