Why can't we have high-speed trains?
The Times
Matthew Parris
June 26, 2008
British inefficiency
The speed indicator at the end of the cabin reads 301 km/h, though I feel no rush as I recline my seat. Outside, one of those glorious, blank, luminous midsummer twilight skies seems so fixed, so tranquil, that we could be motionless. But the high plains of central Spain are slipping by at nearly 190mph beneath us.
Three feet beneath us. You don't need to leave the ground now to fly. This is the train from Madrid to Barcelona. We slid out of Madrid at 9 and we shall be in Barcelona just after 11.30, a journey of more than 300 miles, which the new AVE high-speed rail service will cover even faster when all is complete. Delay and controversy have attended the construction of this, one of the world's fastest long-distance railways, but since spring of this year it has been working as its planners dreamt. The last time I travelled this line was on an overnight sleeper between the two cities.
Oh come on, fellow Britons: if Spain can do it, why can't we? Look at the shape of our island, the distribution of population and the transport bottlenecks. Why are people trekking out to crowded airports to fly between points hardly 100 miles apart? Isn't it just obvious that Great Britain needs a high-speed rail track running up its spine, from London to Scotland?
Couldn't we at least make a start with London to Birmingham, a journey the AVE train could cover in little more than half an hour? While we've been messing up motorists' lives building extra carriageways on the M1 from London to Luton, why didn't we put in the first 30 miles of this track alongside the motorway?
Why, in the Derbyshire village of Elton, did they dig up all the roads for a year to bury the power lines, yet fail to bury the telephone lines at the same time? If I hear Gordon Brown or David Cameron gassing away about the future of the planet and their “visions†for “change†one more time - and then telling us that digging a few ditches or building a viaduct and laying down some track is all much too difficult, I think I shall scream.
In British politics only the rhetoric flies. Everything else is grounded.
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I read in a newspaper article sent to me that a plan was drawn up to relay the track from Aberdeen to Fraserburgh which had been lifted in the 70s' - because local roads had become too congested - but objections were raised because of the effect on wildlife and people not wanting trains running near their village. It brought back memories of the arguments that raged in Kent over the high speed line from Folkestone to London. People from Kent travelled to France with sound meters to measure the noise of the TGV in an effort to stop the British high speed line being built.
Whilst attitudes like those persist in the UK, high speed lines will be restricted to Europe.
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Whilst attitudes like those persist in the UK, high speed lines will be restricted to Europe.
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Indeed, Malcolm. And isn't it true that while people in UK were lobbying to have the high speed line avoid their towns, people in France were doing exactly the opposite and lobbying to have the line pass through their areas, conscious of the economic development that it would bring?
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Found this interesting link on the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513221.stm
Maybe somebody is beginning to see the light at last.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513221.stm
Maybe somebody is beginning to see the light at last.
Malcolm
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If anybody wishes to read the full proposal, it can be found at :-
http://www.2mgroup.org.uk/
The downloadable plans 'High Speed North' can be found on this site. A document that I found very interesting.
I am not surprised that the UK govt [Department of Transport] has already turned the suggestion down, as they favour runway expansion at Heathrow and they consider that there would be little demand for rail connections. The true reason why. Because they will not have to pay for a new runway and I think that they are strongly biased in favour of roads and air travel. Even the govt admit that the cost benefits to the economy outweigh the construction costs.
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http://www.2mgroup.org.uk/
The downloadable plans 'High Speed North' can be found on this site. A document that I found very interesting.
I am not surprised that the UK govt [Department of Transport] has already turned the suggestion down, as they favour runway expansion at Heathrow and they consider that there would be little demand for rail connections. The true reason why. Because they will not have to pay for a new runway and I think that they are strongly biased in favour of roads and air travel. Even the govt admit that the cost benefits to the economy outweigh the construction costs.
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Aviation: Half price oil, cheaper tickets - report sees flaws in case for third Heathrow runway
Call for independent study after BAA is accused of economic sleight of hand
* Dan Milmo, transport correspondent
* The Guardian,
* Wednesday July 23, 2008
The economic case for expanding Heathrow is flawed because the argument for building a third runway at Britain's largest airport relies on optimistic assumptions including a low oil price and escalating passenger demand for flights, a new report argues.
The government consultation on a third runway ignores the potential impact of new railway lines on passenger demand, presumes that air fares will continue to fall and is based on questionable forecasts that oil will cost $53 a barrel in 2030 - less than half the current price - said the Stockholm Environment Institute.
The SEI, which has worked for the British government and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said the case for a third runway should be re-examined by "disinterested researchers" who are not for or against. "Considering the size of the project and the irreversibility of its consequences, a full and accurate accounting of impacts is essential before any decision-making process can go forward," said the report by SEI's US centre.
The Heathrow consultation has been attacked as biased by local residents, environmentalists and opposition politicians, who have also raised concerns about the close cooperation between the government and BAA, Heathrow's owner, during the process.
BAA batted back claims about impartiality yesterday, noting that the report was commissioned by Friends of the Earth, a leading light in the anti-runway lobby. "This is not a serious or impartial piece of academic research," said BAA. "It is a report which completely misunderstands or misrepresents the economic value of Heathrow airport and the way it operates."
The report attempts to open a new front in the third runway battle by challenging the yes camp's economic case. So far, much of the debate over a runway has focused on the noise and air pollution restrictions that must be overcome if the project can go ahead. Anti-Heathrow campaigners have alleged that the government and BAA have colluded in massaging noise and air contamination data to achieve a pro-runway outcome. The economic debate has received less publicity, though SEI's report is expected to reopen it with its accusation that the Department for Transport consultation uses a flawed evaluation of whether a new runway is in the public interest.
Costs of expansion
The economic case for expansion calculates net benefits to the UK economy of £5bn over 60 or 70 years if a third runway is built by 2020 and if restrictions on landings and take-offs are lifted. The key to this argument is so-called generated user benefits, which estimate the value of flights that are created by extra runway capacity and are valued at £9bn. Without their contribution, the SEI report states, the costs of expansion would outweigh the benefits.
The £9bn figure is calculated by estimating the difference between the maximum fare a passenger would pay to travel through Heathrow and the lower fare they would pay if a third runway unleashed a fresh supply of cheap tickets. That figure is then multiplied by the number of new customers that an expanded Heathrow could attract.
However, the argument starts to look fragile if prices do not fall and more people do not fly, the SEI report adds. "If demand for flights is smaller than the DfT expects, or if airfare is higher (owing to increases in fuel prices, for example), then generated user benefits will be smaller, and so too will the total benefits of airport expansion," said SEI. The government predicts that the number of air passengers using UK airports will double at least from 228 million a year to between 460 million and 540 million in 2030, with the number of Heathrow flights rising from 480,000 a year to 702,000 if a new runway is added.
Passenger growth forecasts also came under attack. The predictions in the consultation document are based on a projected oil price that varies from $65 a barrel in 2006 to $53 a barrel in 2030, which in turn underpins predictions of low ticket prices that will boost demand for air travel.
The SEI report said the government is "strangely out of step with common predictions for oil prices", going against a futures market that predicts a price of $140 a barrel in 2016.
The DfT also assumes that non-fuel costs for all flights will fall each year up to 2020. SEI argues that this assumption is based on data showing that non-fuel costs for flights in and out of the UK have fallen 5% a year over the past five years but these figures are largely due to the emergence of budget airlines.
The SEI report questions whether such aggressive cost-reduction can be maintained now that no-frills carriers are well established, implying that airlines will struggle to hold down ticket costs in the future. "If the recent drop in non-fuel costs was a one-time change, resulting from the introduction of budget airlines, then those cost categories may not continue to decline - and generated user benefits will be reduced," said the report. The analysis also accuses the government of ignoring the potential benefits of limiting short-haul flights from Heathrow and improving the UK rail system, which would be able to serve passengers who do not take domestic flights in and out of the UK's main hub airport. "A better rail system ... is another alternative worth comparing to airport expansion," said SEI, adding that 19% of Heathrow passengers take flights to destinations already served by trains.
In a scathing response, BAA said the high-speed rail argument was a "red herring" because any drop in domestic passengers caused by an improved rail network would be filled by unmet demand for long-haul flights. "The airport would be full again before 2020 and long before this theoretical high-speed network could actually be built."
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The Department for Transport said: "Our analysis of the economic benefits of expansion is robust and demonstrates that a third runway would provide net economic benefits of around £5bn - and that takes account of the costs of CO2 emissions and noise. The government has been transparent in producing demand and emissions forecasts and we have produced much technical work to support the consultation."
A spokesperson added that the government would take into account in the current oil price of $130 a barrel when it made its final assessment of the case for a third runway. It is not expected to announce the outcome of the consultation until the end of the year but the DfT is expected to rubber stamp the current government policy that a third runway should be built.
Richard Dyer, aviation campaigner at Friends of the Earth, said the case for a third runway would collapse "if it wasn't for this economic sleight of hand". He added: "The government must fundamentally review its entire aviation strategy and appoint an independent commission to examine the economic case for airport expansion."
Call for independent study after BAA is accused of economic sleight of hand
* Dan Milmo, transport correspondent
* The Guardian,
* Wednesday July 23, 2008
The economic case for expanding Heathrow is flawed because the argument for building a third runway at Britain's largest airport relies on optimistic assumptions including a low oil price and escalating passenger demand for flights, a new report argues.
The government consultation on a third runway ignores the potential impact of new railway lines on passenger demand, presumes that air fares will continue to fall and is based on questionable forecasts that oil will cost $53 a barrel in 2030 - less than half the current price - said the Stockholm Environment Institute.
The SEI, which has worked for the British government and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said the case for a third runway should be re-examined by "disinterested researchers" who are not for or against. "Considering the size of the project and the irreversibility of its consequences, a full and accurate accounting of impacts is essential before any decision-making process can go forward," said the report by SEI's US centre.
The Heathrow consultation has been attacked as biased by local residents, environmentalists and opposition politicians, who have also raised concerns about the close cooperation between the government and BAA, Heathrow's owner, during the process.
BAA batted back claims about impartiality yesterday, noting that the report was commissioned by Friends of the Earth, a leading light in the anti-runway lobby. "This is not a serious or impartial piece of academic research," said BAA. "It is a report which completely misunderstands or misrepresents the economic value of Heathrow airport and the way it operates."
The report attempts to open a new front in the third runway battle by challenging the yes camp's economic case. So far, much of the debate over a runway has focused on the noise and air pollution restrictions that must be overcome if the project can go ahead. Anti-Heathrow campaigners have alleged that the government and BAA have colluded in massaging noise and air contamination data to achieve a pro-runway outcome. The economic debate has received less publicity, though SEI's report is expected to reopen it with its accusation that the Department for Transport consultation uses a flawed evaluation of whether a new runway is in the public interest.
Costs of expansion
The economic case for expansion calculates net benefits to the UK economy of £5bn over 60 or 70 years if a third runway is built by 2020 and if restrictions on landings and take-offs are lifted. The key to this argument is so-called generated user benefits, which estimate the value of flights that are created by extra runway capacity and are valued at £9bn. Without their contribution, the SEI report states, the costs of expansion would outweigh the benefits.
The £9bn figure is calculated by estimating the difference between the maximum fare a passenger would pay to travel through Heathrow and the lower fare they would pay if a third runway unleashed a fresh supply of cheap tickets. That figure is then multiplied by the number of new customers that an expanded Heathrow could attract.
However, the argument starts to look fragile if prices do not fall and more people do not fly, the SEI report adds. "If demand for flights is smaller than the DfT expects, or if airfare is higher (owing to increases in fuel prices, for example), then generated user benefits will be smaller, and so too will the total benefits of airport expansion," said SEI. The government predicts that the number of air passengers using UK airports will double at least from 228 million a year to between 460 million and 540 million in 2030, with the number of Heathrow flights rising from 480,000 a year to 702,000 if a new runway is added.
Passenger growth forecasts also came under attack. The predictions in the consultation document are based on a projected oil price that varies from $65 a barrel in 2006 to $53 a barrel in 2030, which in turn underpins predictions of low ticket prices that will boost demand for air travel.
The SEI report said the government is "strangely out of step with common predictions for oil prices", going against a futures market that predicts a price of $140 a barrel in 2016.
The DfT also assumes that non-fuel costs for all flights will fall each year up to 2020. SEI argues that this assumption is based on data showing that non-fuel costs for flights in and out of the UK have fallen 5% a year over the past five years but these figures are largely due to the emergence of budget airlines.
The SEI report questions whether such aggressive cost-reduction can be maintained now that no-frills carriers are well established, implying that airlines will struggle to hold down ticket costs in the future. "If the recent drop in non-fuel costs was a one-time change, resulting from the introduction of budget airlines, then those cost categories may not continue to decline - and generated user benefits will be reduced," said the report. The analysis also accuses the government of ignoring the potential benefits of limiting short-haul flights from Heathrow and improving the UK rail system, which would be able to serve passengers who do not take domestic flights in and out of the UK's main hub airport. "A better rail system ... is another alternative worth comparing to airport expansion," said SEI, adding that 19% of Heathrow passengers take flights to destinations already served by trains.
In a scathing response, BAA said the high-speed rail argument was a "red herring" because any drop in domestic passengers caused by an improved rail network would be filled by unmet demand for long-haul flights. "The airport would be full again before 2020 and long before this theoretical high-speed network could actually be built."
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The Department for Transport said: "Our analysis of the economic benefits of expansion is robust and demonstrates that a third runway would provide net economic benefits of around £5bn - and that takes account of the costs of CO2 emissions and noise. The government has been transparent in producing demand and emissions forecasts and we have produced much technical work to support the consultation."
A spokesperson added that the government would take into account in the current oil price of $130 a barrel when it made its final assessment of the case for a third runway. It is not expected to announce the outcome of the consultation until the end of the year but the DfT is expected to rubber stamp the current government policy that a third runway should be built.
Richard Dyer, aviation campaigner at Friends of the Earth, said the case for a third runway would collapse "if it wasn't for this economic sleight of hand". He added: "The government must fundamentally review its entire aviation strategy and appoint an independent commission to examine the economic case for airport expansion."
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I am puzzled. The DfT states that a third runway will bring in £5 bn over 60 - 70 years which justifies the building of the third runway based on passenger figures rising. However, the DfT also stated that the proposed Northern Link high speed railway would generate £45 bn over 30 years which is not sufficient to justify the building of the railway.
Mathematics was always two of my worst subjects, but am I missing an accounting point?
Malcolm
Mathematics was always two of my worst subjects, but am I missing an accounting point?
Malcolm