High-speed train safety questioned
Helen McArdle, News Reporter
MONDAY 20 FEBRUARY 2012
The Herald (Scotland)
A SCOTTISH academic has claimed the HS2 high-speed railway plans may suffer track failure and derailments if trains are allowed to travel on it at speeds of 250mph.
Professor Peter Woodward of Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh said there is a risk the lines may not be able to cope with "new problems" thrown up by the higher speeds with times between London and Birmingham cut to 49 minutes.
The UK Government has reportedly given £500,000 to Mr Woodward – professor of railway geo-engineeering – and Professor Mike Forde, of Edinburgh University, to investigate the issue.
However, in papers lodged with the Government's Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council, Mr Woodward said the speeds proposed for the £24 billion HS2 project could trigger "significant amplification of train-track vibrations".
It added this may cause "rapid deterioration of the track, ballast and sub-ballast, including possible derailment and ground failure".
HS2's two-track core route between London and the Midlands is supposed to handle traffic currently served by three separate main lines, to destinations including Birmingham, Manchester, the East Midlands, Sheffield, Leeds and Scotland.
Business leaders say journey times between London and Edinburgh and Glasgow would be cut by 30 minutes from four hours and 30 minutes. But experts are worried about plans to run trains faster than any other line in the world, 225mph initially AND with a target speed is 250mph within a few years of opening in 2032.
Mr Woodward told The Engineer magazine he was worried about "ground waves" of vibration, known as Rayleigh waves, developing in the rail at a certain speed. "The analogy is that of an aircraft going through the sound barrier," he said.
As "critical track velocity" was approached, the track would "start to undergo strong ground vibrations", rippling visibly along the rails in front of the train.
"It is possible that, if the train was allowed to run at this critical track velocity, it would derail at high speed," he warned.
Using a test track bed, Mr Woodward is trying to find out what the danger speed is and whether HS2 will exceed it.
Emails released under Freedom of Information show Andy Went, HS2's head of track, now a senior engineer at Network Rail responsible for HS2, is closely involved in the research. They also show Hs2 chief engineer Professor Andrew McNaughton was closely involved in drawing up the new research proposal.
This HS2 involvement apparently calls into question Mr McNaughton's assurance to the Transport Select Committee that a 225mph service can run safely on current forms of track.
"We do not consider it requires technology development to achieve [the proposed service] at 225mph and we believe only limited, foreseeable development would be necessary for [250mph]," he said.
HS2 claims it will be able to run up to 18 trains an hour – one every 3min 20sec – along the core route, more than on any other such high-speed line in the world. If the trains were slower, frequencies would have to be reduced, putting at risk the promised service. Running at the industry standard of 186mph would cut scheme's benefit-cost ratio by an estimated 15%.
A spokesman for HS2 said: "It is nonsense to suggest we would design a railway that did not take into account the effects of Rayleigh waves. We are designing HS2 so that there is no possibility Rayleigh waves would lead to any problems such as derailment.
"We will continue to work closely with and support leading researchers such as Professor Woodward to develop and design safe and efficient high-speed train operations in the UK."
Mr Woodward could not be reached for comment yesterday.
High-speed train safety questioned
Other railway topics related to Europe.
Moderator: John Ashworth
- John Ashworth
- Site Admin
- Posts: 23606
- Joined: 24 Jan 2007, 14:38
- Location: Nairobi, Kenya
- Contact:
Return to “Europe - Other Railway Topics”
Jump to
- YOUR FIRST TIME HERE? QUESTIONS ON THE FORUM? PLEASE READ....
- ↳ Using the Forums
- ↳ What You Can Get Out Of The Forum!!!!
- ↳ This Forum - Frequently Asked Questions
- ↳ FOTR Forum Help
- ↳ Testing How To Do Posts...
- FRIENDS OF THE RAIL - PUBLIC TRAIN TRIPS YOU CAN TAKE!
- ↳ FOTR Train Trips - Destinations, Schedules and Other News
- ↳ Cullinan Venues
- ↳ Corporate Venues and Packages
- ↳ Your Feedback on Trips and Venues
- ↳ Your Trip Pictures
- FRIENDS OF THE RAIL - NEWS, INFORMATION (INCLUDING OUR NEWSLETTER) AND WEBSITE/FORUM FEEDBACK
- ↳ FOTR - Announcements and News
- ↳ FOTR - 3117 15F Accident and Appeal
- ↳ FOTR - Newsletter !!!!
- ↳ FOTR - Website and Forum Feedback - Your Suggestions and Questions !
- FRIENDS OF THE RAIL PHOTO GALLERY (Requires Registration)
- ↳ FOTR Picture of the Month
- ↳ FOTR Trips and Events
- ↳ FOTR - Very Special Occasions !
- ↳ 15F 3117 - Inaugural Passenger Train - 16 December 2008
- ↳ 15F 3117 - First Steaming - 14 October 2008
- ↳ Hermanstad - first passenger train - 27 July 2008
- ↳ Hermanstad - 1st steam train to new site - 16 March 2008
- ↳ Farewell To John.....
- ↳ John's Wedding !
- ↳ 21st Anniversary of FOTR
- ↳ FOTR Steam and Miscellaneous Engines
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 15F 3117
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 19D 2650
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 24 3664
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 15CA 2850
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 15F 3094
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 8D 1223
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Fireless Locomotives
- ↳ FOTR - Funkey Diesel Locomotive
- ↳ FOTR - Electric Motor Coach
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engines GMAM Garratts 4135 and 4148
- ↳ FOTR - Steam Engine 15F 3052
- ↳ FOTR Rolling Stock
- ↳ FOTR Miscellaneous Equipment
- ↳ FOTR - The New Hermanstad Site
- ↳ FOTR Capital Park
- ↳ FOTR People
- ↳ Railway Operations - ask a question about how railways work..
- ↳ Railway Research
- ↳ Railways at War
- SOUTHERN AFRICAN MOTIVE POWER MOVEMENTS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Main Line Motive Power
- ↳ Industrial Motive Power
- SOUTH AFRICAN RAILWAYS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ South Africa - Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Diesel Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Electric Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Rapid Transit Systems (Gautrain & Metro)
- ↳ South Africa - Industrial Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Coaches, Rolling Stock & Miscellaneous Vehicles
- ↳ South Africa - Stations, Signals and Infrastructure
- ↳ South Africa - General Railway News and Discussion (except for Heritage News)
- ↳ South Africa - Heritage Railway News and Discussion
- ↳ South Africa - Plinthed/Heritage Locomotives and Rolling Stock
- ↳ South Africa - South African Railways Abroad
- ↳ South Africa - Photo Gallery - POST YOUR PICTURES HERE!
- ↳ South Africa - Diesel Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Electric Motive Power
- ↳ South Africa - Rapid Transit Systems
- ↳ Gautrain
- ↳ Metro Rail Systems
- ↳ South Africa - Coaches, Rolling Stock & Miscellaneous Vehicles
- ↳ South Africa - Steam and Heritage Railways
- ↳ SAR/SAS/Spoornet/TFR
- ↳ Atlantic Rail
- ↳ Sisonke Stimela (Ingwe Municipality)
- ↳ Oosterlijn
- ↳ Outeniqua Choo-tjoe
- ↳ Paton County Railway
- ↳ Reefsteamers
- ↳ ROVOS Rail
- ↳ Sandstone
- ↳ Umgeni
- ↳ SANRASM
- ↳ Plinthed Locos
- ↳ Other Steam Sites
- ↳ South Africa - Stations, Signals, Infrastructure and Miscellaneous
- ↳ South African Railways Abroad
- ↳ The Charles Lewis Series - Comments and discussion
- ↳ The Charles Lewis Series - The Pictures
- WORLD RAILWAYS - REST OF AFRICA (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Rest of Africa - Modern Motive Power
- ↳ Rest of Africa - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ Rest of Africa - Other Railway Topics
- ↳ Rest of Africa - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Kenya - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Kenya - Diesel Motive Power - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Kenya - Steam Motive Power - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Kenya - Coaches, Rolling Stock & Miscellaneous Vehicles - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Kenya - Stations, Signals, Infrastructure and Miscellaneous - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Sudan and South Sudan - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Zimbabwe and Zambia - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Eritrea - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Uganda - Photo Gallery
- ↳ UR/EAR/EARH Historic Photo Gallery
- ↳ Mocambique, Angola - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Other African Countries - Photo Gallery
- WORLD RAILWAYS - EUROPE (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Europe - Modern Motive Power
- ↳ Europe - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ Europe - Other Railway Topics
- ↳ Europe - Photo Gallery
- ↳ U.K. & Ireland - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Scandinavia - Photo Gallery
- ↳ France - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Switzerland - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Netherlands - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Germany - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Spain & Portugal - Photo Gallery
- ↳ Rest of Europe - Photo Gallery
- WORLD RAILWAYS - AMERICAS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ North/Central/South America - Modern Motive Power
- ↳ North/Central/South America - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ North/Central/South America - Other Railway Topics
- ↳ North/Central/South America - Photo Gallery
- WORLD RAILWAYS - ASIA AND MIDDLE EAST (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Asia and Middle East - Modern Motive Power
- ↳ Asia and Middle East - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ Asia and Middle East - Other Railway Topics
- ↳ Asia and Middle East - Photo Gallery
- WORLD RAILWAYS - AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Australia/New Zealand - Modern Motive Power
- ↳ Australia/New Zealand - Steam Motive Power
- ↳ Australia/New Zealand - Other Railway Topics
- ↳ Australia/New Zealand - Photo Gallery
- PHOTOGRAPHING TRAINS AND RAILWAYS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Photography - Still Photography
- ↳ Photography - Video Photography.
- ↳ FOTR - Train Spotting and Photo Shoot Possibilities
- OTHER RAILWAY THINGS FOR RAILFANS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Train Tales
- ↳ Jokes and Assorted Humour
- ↳ Book/Magazine News
- ↳ DVD News
- ↳ Film News
- ↳ Railworks (ex Kuju Rail Simulator)
- ↳ Model Trains
- ↳ N Scale Entire Bedroom Layout
- ↳ MTE Model Railway Layout Build #1 - HO European Layout.
- ↳ N Scale Garage Layout Build
- ↳ OO/HO African profile model railway in Kenya
- ↳ Miniature Railway Engineering
- ↳ Websites
- ↳ Micromodels
- ↳ Microsoft Train Simulator.
- ↳ MSTS News, Views and Anything Else!
- ↳ MSTS News With A South African Flavour.....
- ↳ Microsoft train Simulator 2 (deceased!)
- ↳ Other Railway Software
- POLLS (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Polls
- OTHER THINGS THAT RUN WITH STEAM! (requires Registration)
- ↳ Other Steam Devices and Mechanical Machines and Objects!
- LOCKER ROOM (Requires Registration)
- ↳ Locker Room